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I’ve been thinking about confidence based on Goodness and intent-to-Goodness, instead of the more typical supports for Confidence.
 
Message by (707) 322-0361: Confidence, hmm, do you mean self-confidence, or credence/trust, or secret?, Saturday, October 13 2018, 11:10 PM
Confidence, hmm, do you mean self-confidence, or credence/trust, or secret?
 
Message by (707) 322-0361: Is it confidence based upon goodness, or vice-versa? Seems to me that if goodness is already established, then confidence adds nothing. If I am confident in Joe’s ability to set up the zip line correctly and safely, because I know he is a good person who intends good for all, and yet we all end up in the river nonetheless; Joe’s goodness is not impugned by the fact of the accident, not should my confidence in him be. Goodness doesn’t confer magical powers over the fact of the inherent uncertainty which we accept as part of the world. Once I’ve determined the goodness of something, my confidence in it adds nothing, because win, lose or draw, it remains good. It’s like once goodness is determined, nothing else is needed,. No matter the outcome or eventualities, the good has it covered., Saturday, October 13 2018, 11:32 PM
Is it confidence based upon goodness, or vice-versa? Seems to me that if goodness is already established, then confidence adds nothing. If I am confident in Joe’s ability to set up the zip line correctly and safely, because I know he is a good person who intends good for all, and yet we all end up in the river nonetheless; Joe’s goodness is not impugned by the fact of the accident, nor should my confidence in him be. Goodness doesn’t confer magical powers over the fact of the inherent uncertainty which we accept as part of the world. Once I’ve determined the goodness of something, my confidence in it adds nothing, because win, lose or draw, it remains good. It’s like once goodness is determined, nothing else is needed. No matter the outcome or eventualities, the good has it covered.
 
Message by (707) 322-0361: It’s like, I only know human goodness and the kinds of goodness that are available to me as a human. I don’t know flawless goodness, because nothing I have ever encountered in the universe is without flaw. Perfect is unavailable to me; it is as conceptually impossible as a fourth primary for, or the end of natural numbers. Goodness already assumes imperfection. And goodness is the first ordination; my attachment to or desire for any particular outcome cannot take precedence over goodness, and if I say it does, then I have lost both goodness and purpose, which is to lose all meaning., Saturday, October 13 2018, 11:57 PM
It’s like, I only know human goodness and the kinds of goodness that are available to me as a human. I don’t know flawless goodness, because nothing I have ever encountered in the universe is without flaw. Perfect is unavailable to me; it is as conceptually impossible as a fourth primary, or the end of natural numbers. Goodness already assumes imperfection. And goodness is the first ordination; my attachment to or desire for any particular outcome cannot take precedence over goodness, and if I say it does, then I have lost both goodness and purpose, which is to lose all meaning.
 
Message by (707) 322-0361: I don’t know if any of this is relevant to what you were thinking of, but it’s what your remark made me think of., Sunday, October 14 2018, 12:00 AM
I don’t know if any of this is relevant to what you were thinking, but it’s what your remark made me think of.
 
Message by You: I was certainly thinking of Self-confidence. A Perspective-Shift which enables feeling more confident based on a different parameter., Sunday, October 14 2018, 10:31 AM
I was certainly thinking of Self-confidence. A Perspective-Shift which enables feeling more confident based on a different parameter.
 
Message by You: Thinking of it in the way you laid out with Joe, yes certainly competence and confidence should not be confused, or confidence inappropriately assigned. With Good Person Joe, on balance, that Goodness will, for me, encourange a confidence when compared to non-good person Joe. here I don’t mean bad, but simply someone to whom Goodness is not first and foremost, nt something they are particularly focused on and strive to be in everything they do. Thus, Good Joe would tend to be diligent and thorough and careful and so on. Also, more importantly, Good Joe would not take chaces, especially where the safety of other’s is concerned. Even more importantly, since Humility and Modesty are so intertwined with the Good Persona and mindset, Good-Joe is unlikely to overestimate his abilities, more likely to understimate, and thus, I typically would indeed have confidence in Good- Joe and the zipline. All conditional on Joe not being a Good fool. There are such. Like children who become immersed in beliefs which can lead to the overestimation of abilities and such problems. Thus in the case of Good Joe, a modicum of Sensibility is part of the assignment iof Good. This was not my focus with the comment but it is interesting when thought through. I have actually used the Good Joe perspective with employees. I never bother wih qualifications much,, If you were a good person, i’s hire you. No problem. Details could be learned. But lol, some good people could also get overwhelmed somtimes, unable to handle the trust placed on them, which really wasn’t much, and didn’t trust themselves to fulfill even the basic requirements on their own. They sometimes, purely via inappropriate imagination, created all sorts of stress for themselves because of extrapolating failure because they did not *specifically* know what to do. But that’s a seprarate long story., Sunday, October 14 2018, 10:48 AM
Thinking of it in the way you laid out with Joe, yes certainly competence and confidence should not be confused, or confidence inappropriately assigned. With Good Person Joe, on balance, that Goodness will, for me, encourage a confidence when compared to non-good person Joe. Here I don’t mean bad, but simply someone to whom Goodness is not first and foremost, not something they are particularly focused on and strive to be in everything they do. Thus, Good Joe would tend to be diligent and thorough and careful and so on. Also, more importantly, Good Joe would not take chances, especially where the safety of others is concerned. Even more importantly, since Humility and Modesty are so intertwined with the Good Persona and mindset, Good-Joe is unlikely to overestimate his abilities, more likely to underestimate, and thus, I typically would indeed have confidence in Good-Joe and the zip line. All conditional on Joe not being a Good fool. There are such. Like children who become immersed in beliefs which can lead to the overestimation of abilities and such problems. Thus in the case of Good Joe, a modicum of Sensibility is part of the assignment of Good. This was not my focus with the comment but it is interesting when thought through. I have actually used the Good Joe perspective with employees. I never bothered with qualifications much, If you were a good person, I’d hire you. No problem. Details could be learned. But lol, some good people could also get overwhelmed sometimes, unable to handle the trust placed on them, which really wasn’t much, and didn’t trust themselves to fulfil even the basic requirements on their own. They sometimes, purely via inappropriate imagination, created all sorts of stress for themselves because of extrapolating failure because they did not *specifically* know what to do. But that’s a separate long story.
 
Message by You: To come back to my original perspective, I have been thinking of Confidence in Self, based on other criteria than say Accomplishments, recognition, status, credibility etc. Or even competence, which is a large factor of confidence usually. Good People, in my experience, those who have Goodness and being good as a predominant psychology, in my experience, tend to be modest and humble, they also tend to be earnest, sincere, honest, diligent, thorough, willing to make effort, considerate, underestimating of self, and tend to lack self-confidence. Because such Good People also tend to have a good Awareness of their failings, and what they still need to learn. That last especially a restriction on confidence. Indeed, the more they learn, and thus the more they become Aware of how much more there is to learn, the less confident they become in themselves. A peculiar problem. A ever-present fear or concern is being egotistical, or over-estimation., Sunday, October 14 2018, 10:56 AM
To come back to my original perspective, I have been thinking of Confidence in Self, based on other criteria than say accomplishments, recognition, status, credibility etc. Or even competence, which is a large factor of confidence usually. Good People, those who have Goodness and being good as a predominant psychology, in my experience, tend to be modest and humble, they also tend to be earnest, sincere, honest, diligent, thorough, willing to make effort, considerate, underestimating of self, and tend to lack self-confidence, because such Good People also tend to have a good Awareness of their failings, and what they still need to learn. That last especially a restriction on confidence. Indeed, the more they learn, and thus the more they become Aware of how much more there is to learn, the less confident they become in themselves. A peculiar problem. An ever-present fear or concern is being egotistical, or over-estimation.
 
Message by You: However, I was thinking that such Good People can simply base their personal Confidence on the *fact* of their Goodness. Something they are sure of, do not doubt, a bedrock of their being. When thought-through, an excellent basis for Self-Confidence, as the many many good qualities which result from Goodness are all qualities supportive of Self-Confidence., Sunday, October 14 2018, 11:00 AM
However, I was thinking that such Good People can simply base their personal Confidence on the *fact* of their Goodness. Something they are sure of, do not doubt, a bedrock of their being. When thought-through, an excellent basis for Self-Confidence, as the many many good qualities which result from Goodness are all qualities supportive of Self-Confidence.
 
Message by You: Why does this matter? Self-doubt is ofc a corrosion of the soul and spirit, and when inappropriate, causes a weariness-of-being, which reduces not only the Joy of Living but also effectiveness an efficiency. Where Confidence for the Good person is a particular issue is in social interactions with those not bent on the Good. With mindsets immersed in a hierarchical perspective to whom evaluation on foolish criteria is important and predominant. Here Confidence in Self is huge and does indeed make a substantial difference. If only to avoid the ridiculousness of unnecessary “pecking” from the chicken mindset which cannot conceive of equality. Lack of *overt* confidence is immediately seized upon as an opportunity to “peck” and thus cause unnecessary misery, stress or complication. Further, even in non-hierarchical interactions, abscence of perceived confidence, not necessarily a lack, or self-doubt, but simply not seeing the Confidence specifically and overtly, leads to underestimation and inappropriate perceptions, all of which when connected to effective and efficient interactions and communications and accuracy of perception and thus relating etc, all matter substantially. I see no impediment to the Good person Leveraging the knowing of their Goodness into Self-Confidence and thereby avoiding the problems of being they tend to face as a result of not having such a Confidence of Self., Sunday, October 14 2018, 11:14 AM
Why does this matter? Self-doubt is ofc a corrosion of the soul and spirit, and when inappropriate, causes a weariness-of-being, which reduces not only the Joy of Living but also effectiveness an efficiency. Where Confidence for the Good person is a particular issue, is in social interactions with those not bent on the Good. With mindsets immersed in a hierarchical perspective to whom evaluation on foolish criteria is important and predominant. Here Confidence in Self is huge and does indeed make a substantial difference. If only to avoid the ridiculousness of unnecessary “pecking” from the chicken mindset which cannot conceive of equality. Lack of *overt* confidence is immediately seized upon as an opportunity to “peck” and thus cause unnecessary misery, stress or complication. Further, even in non-hierarchical interactions, absence of perceived confidence, not necessarily a lack, or self-doubt, but simply not seeing the Confidence specifically and overtly, leads to underestimation and inappropriate perceptions, all of which when connected to effective and efficient interactions and communications and accuracy of perception and thus relating etc, all matter substantially. I see no impediment to the Good person Leveraging the knowing of their Goodness into Self-Confidence and thereby avoiding the problems of being they tend to face as a result of not having such a Confidence of Self.
 
Message by You: I’m also not sure why exactly this stays with me. It’s been on my mind for a few weeks now. Something is still unresolved, some small aspect of it. And lol, I cannot, just cannot leave the unresolved alone. I have to get to Resolution before I can move on. :), Sunday, October 14 2018, 11:17 AM
I’m also not sure why exactly this stays with me. It’s been on my mind for a few weeks now. Something is still unresolved, some small aspect of it. And lol, I cannot, just cannot leave the unresolved alone. I have to get to Resolution before I can move on. 🙂
 
Message by (707) 322-0361: If you, if I, if one is doing their best, that’s what’s good. We can’t ask for more. Can your best be better? Of course, but not at the same time and place. It is what it is, and good will is good will towards myself also. This is what we have., Sunday, October 14 2018, 12:41 PM
If you, if I, if one is doing their best, that’s what’s good. We can’t ask for more. Can your best be better? Of course, but not at the same time and place. It is what it is, and good will is good will towards myself also. This is what we have.
 
Message by You: Exactly!!!!! And that’s something which we can leverage when it comes to our Self-Confidence. Knowing this, keeping it in Awareness, and specifically Applying it to our Confidence is huge! 🙂 😀 <3, Sunday, October 14 2018, 12:47 PM
Exactly!!!!! And that’s something which we can leverage when it comes to our Self-Confidence. Knowing this, keeping it in Awareness, and specifically Applying it to our Confidence is huge! 🙂 😀 <3
 
Message by You: That’s indeed an element whiich was missing., Sunday, October 14 2018, 12:48 PM
That’s indeed an element which was missing.
 
 
Message by (707) 322-0361: https://youtu.be/eDO4bzFWewk, Sunday, October 14 2018, 12:57 PM
 
Message by You: 🙂 😀 you remind me of that civilisation in Star Trek whose language consisted of references to mythology, or an epic story. 🙂 😀 Lol, Like if we communicated only by quoting Shakespear. 🙂 😀 Seems music works much the same way for you. 🙂 :D, Sunday, October 14 2018, 1:04 PM
🙂 😀 you remind me of that civilisation in Star Trek whose language consisted of references to mythology, or an epic story. 🙂 😀 Lol, Like if we communicated only by quoting Shakespeare. 🙂 😀 Seems music works much the same way for you. 🙂 😀
 
Message by You: Another way to come at the Confidence Perspective is from the angle of Value. If we feel we can provide Value, then we tend to feel more Confident. I think for most Good People, they do not necessarily connect their Goodness to the Value they bring as a consequence, like the Value of Earnestness, sincerity, diligence, thoroughness, effort to do their best etc. These are *massively Valuable and as such an excellent basis for Self-Confidence. Yes?, Sunday, October 14 2018, 1:21 PM
Another way to come at the Confidence Perspective is from the angle of Value. If we feel we can provide Value, we tend to feel more Confident. I think for most Good People, they do not necessarily connect their Goodness to the Value they bring as a consequence, like the Value of Earnestness, sincerity, diligence, thoroughness, effort to do their best etc. These are *massively* Valuable and as such an excellent basis for Self-Confidence. Yes?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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